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PostSubject: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:13 pm

Now Brock vs Goldberg at WM 33 doesn't need the Universal Championship, but I think the Universal Championship needs to be in the match to make it more meaningful. Even tho the Universal Title is a World Championship, it doesn't feel like a big deal. Many still see it as the fruit rollup championship. Owens is great and seeing him as the champion is great, but WWE imo hasn't really made him feel like a World Champion. It's not his fault. And with WWE making the 2nd ever Universal champion not feel like a big deal, it hurts the Universal title. This is were putting it in the Brock vs Goldberg match will make it feel huge. Say what you will about Goldberg. He's old, he gets blow up 20 seconds into the match blah blah blah. Yeah well that Old man is more over than any younger talent right now, that includes Kevin Owens. So I say at Fastlane have Owens drop the strap to Goldberg. Now you have a legend like Goldberg as The Universal Champion, that gives the belt more cred. Now yeah Owens vs Jericho at Maina for the US title doesn't sound as exciting like it being for the Universal title, but those two will still put on a great match.

So Now you have the Universal Title on the line at Wrestlemania 33 in the Goldberg vs Brock III match. If the rumors are true Goldberg vs Brock will be "The" Main event, as in the real main event, as in the match that closes the show And How much I hate it, Brock is going to win the match. So There you have the Universal title on another guy who is hella over.

Is goldberg old? Yes, Will Brock disappear back to Canada and hunt bears with his bare hands for the next 4 months before seeing him again, probably. But does the fact two of the most over guys have held the Universal championship make the belt more meaningful? imo yes it would.

But also imo they need to get the belt off Lesnar as soon as possible. Lesnar probably won't be seen again until the road to summerslam, so having the belt off TV for a long period of time will be bad imo. So the next PPV Brock needs to drop the strap...to...imo Samoa Joe.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:15 pm

It's gonna be terrible with or without the title on the line. #FeelTheBern
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:18 pm

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It's gonna be terrible with or without the title on the line. #FeelTheBern

True, but the build up will be very well done at least.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:20 pm

It will? All of Goldberg's stuff has been terrible on the mic. I thought he was drunk the last time he was out there. #FeelTheBern
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:27 pm

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It will? All of Goldberg's stuff has been terrible on the mic. I thought he was drunk the last time he was out there. #FeelTheBern

because he nearly knock himself out before hand. Goldberg likes to smash his head into the lockers to pump himself up, but he did it too hard that time. Surprise he didn't get a concussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:29 pm

I'm not watching a Wrestlemania where the main world title match is two guys with a combined 15 minutes of match time in the past year. NAH
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:23 am

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Drächen Fx wrote:
It will? All of Goldberg's stuff has been terrible on the mic. I thought he was drunk the last time he was out there. #FeelTheBern

because he nearly knock himself out before hand. Goldberg likes to smash his head into the lockers to pump himself up, but he did it too hard that time. Surprise he didn't get a concussion.

Rumor has it that -- considering that was the same arena where CM Punk last was before he said "Fuck It, I'm out" and Goldberg was in the very same room CM Punk was at the time, when he entered and said he was leaving -- Vinnie Mac told Goldberg to headbutt the shit out of that door, maybe the CM Punk ghost would be scared away for good.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:02 am

Please no.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:16 am

Vince is just the worst.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:44 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if they put AJ in the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal at this point. Wait until you read what they have planned for Cena #FeelTheBern
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:20 am

At this point in fine with them putting the universal title in the match. Been hearing they extended Goldberg contact so wm might not be his last match.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:06 pm

I can understand the draw to this match (I guess), but I don't care about it at all. Goldberg can't seem to last more than two minutes in the ring and he's about to go squash Owens. Owens needs the title for his match with Jericho.

I've never really hated on the part timers very much, but this match just seems so stupid. They already fought at a Mania, and it was trash.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:30 pm

Actually no i disagree that Owens needs the Title in the match. Owens will always have a chance for another reign, but The Lesnar vs. Goldberg III match will help the title. Everyone already views the Universal Title as the lesser of the two world titles. Put the title on The two most over guys in the company, that being Brock and Goldberg, and putting it in the main event will make the title at least seem more important.

And if he squashes Owens...well think about it...it makes sense. Goldberg squashed Lesnar. Lesnar Squashes everyone, Owens isn't on the level of Lesnar...sooo...yeah Owens getting squashed is more realistic. Tho I don't think he will doing in as short a time as he did with Brock...i think Owens will do the cowardly heel thing and try to stay away from Goldberg for most of the match. Pushing Jericho in Goldberg's way...which hey adds to the Owens Jericho Match which I see being like 2nd or 3rd match on the card. And Really Goldberg shouldn't be going longer than 5 mins. It what he is known for so might as well do it.

and will Lesnar vs, Brock III suck? Yeah most likely. But like I said this is more about making that Universal title seem like it is on par with the WWE title. And having it in the main event instead of 2nd or 3rd match on the card is the right way to go.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:57 pm

Nothing about that is good at all.

Owens has already looked weak as Universal Champ by needing to bullshit every title defense. Him jobbing to Goldberg wouldn't be good, just because Brock jobbed to Goldberg. Brock jobbing to Goldberg was meant to be a "He didn't take Goldberg seriously, so he got caught" thing, not Goldberg genuinely being way better than Brock. Owens would clearly take Goldberg seriously. Having this guy job to an old part timer to build towards a part timer vs. part timer title match is just bad.

The title does need to be made to look better. That can be done by actually booking the champion right, not by giving it to one part timer so he can lose it to another part timer at WM. I love Brock and enjoyed his World title run a few years ago, but he shouldn't be winning the title again. Goldberg should definitely not either. It doesn't make the title mean more. It'll just make a lot of people skip the match (and, in turn, the end of WM, if that's what headlines) because they're pissed that the title is being defended by a part-timer against a part-timer, instead of by a very talented, full-time wrestler against one of the most over wrestlers of the past year, in a storyline that's been building ever since Jericho and Owens became a team.

Also, having Goldberg win just to drop the title to Brock just to drop the title again shortly after (as you described in your original post) does the opposite of making the title look good. Hot potatoing a championship is never a good way to build it.

I'd have preferred Goldberg never faced Brock at Survivor Series (or Brock won), because I wanted Brock to lose at WM 33, after being unstoppable for so long, in a match against someone who needs the win. Someone close to the main event scene, but not quite there, kinda like it would've been for Dean last year. But, since they went the route they went, they need to have this match and give Brock the win. It may be a decent, albeit short match. I expect it to be better than their 2004 match, since this isn't two guys who are about to leave WWE with the thought that they're never coming back and just giving no fucks. But taking the title off of Owens just to use for this would be a horrible idea. ESPECIALLY if they make it the main event. The main event should be Orton vs. Bray vs. Harper (after Bray wins EC and Luke makes his way into the match). That's a storyline that's been building for a while and it'd feature Bray finally getting the huge match he deserves (walking in as champ, at that), it'll give Luke a big push that he deserves and it'll have the established veteran in Orton. Plus, it's the Rumble winner's match, which should, imo, always main event WM, unless for very special cases (such as retirement matches for huge names).
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:18 am

Blind comment here as I haven't really had a chance to follow the last year or so of WWE.

Handing the title over two two part time legends to get credibility is silly. The title is already doomed if it requires pandering from reputation alone. True credibility is built on building up the stars of today so that years from now when the next generation of fans look back, they can say that someone like Owens was a true star, a true champion. (I honestly have no idea if he's face/heel right now, don't care). WWE has had this problem for ages. Heels always need some trick and faces aren't given proper heels to challenge.

Not going to rant too long on my personal dislike of the heel champion dynamic from the last decade, but the point stands. Even if you're right, and it would give the title credibility, then there's already a problem. The title is no more than a prop for storytelling, neither brock nor goldberg require it to sell shows. I see why you like it, but in a time when champions are meant to represent the brand, no part timer should hold the belt. I hated it when The Rock did it, and this would be no better.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:57 am

it wouldn't need to come to having to put the title on two part timers as a way of getting a title over if WWE didn't have a hard on for Part timers and only making them a big deal.

Beside how I book it would be another short match at Mania. Yes Main eventing with another short match because I am not putting Goldberg in a long ass match that would be a nightmare.

How I have it is Goldberg making his entrance to the ring, half way through it Lesnar attacks him from behind and just starts beating the crap out of him on the outside for a good 5 mins. Rolls Goldberg in the ring, Lesnar gets in and BAM! Spear. BAM! Jackhammer! BAM Goldberg Beats Lesnar and retains at WM. Goldberg goes down as the only guy Lesnar could never beat. Next Night I have Goldberg retire as champion and the title goes vacant. Have a toury to crown a new Champion and that new champion would be Samoa Joe.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:01 am

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It'll just make a lot of people skip the match (and, in turn, the end of WM, if that's what headlines) because they're pissed that the title is being defended by a part-timer against a part-timer, instead of by a very talented, full-time wrestler against one of the most over wrestlers of the past year

Actually no I would see more people tuning in for Lesnar and Goldberg because it is still Lesnar and Goldberg. Part timers or not they are the biggest Stars in the company like it or not. Love Owens and Love Jericho, but Lesnar and Goldberg is the money match. Maybe not to hardcores, but to the casual fans.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:09 am

Also with how Bray has been treated I seriously seriously doubt Vince would ever have him main event a wrestlemania. In a Perfect world yes I have Bray in the Main event, i do what Snoopz said. But this is Vince's reality and when it comes to Wrestlemania you gotta think like him. It saves you from being Too disappointed.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:11 am

because if we could have it our way. Easy the two world title matches would be Joe vs. Owens and Nakamura vs Styles.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:23 am

Also Ruro I don't like it, well if it ended up how i said how I book it I would like it, but I know that won't happen they would give Lesnar the title and the win. I HATED His Reign as champion as few years ago and the idea of giving him another reign makes my stomach turn.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:35 pm

Having Lesnar job in the main event of WrestleMania, the way you just described, would be the absolute worst possible outcome possible. I get it, you dislike Lesnar, but having the main event be for the Universal title and a job is awful. Also, there are many people who have told me if Lesnar vs. Goldberg main events/is for the title, they won't watch it and possibly not even the show in general. If Goldberg jobs Lesnar in the shortest WM main event ever, I would actually support the many people who would immediately cancel their Network subscription, which I usually think is something very stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:44 pm

I know but that would just be a sick pleasure for me, Honestly I don't want this to be the main event, but it's gonna BE the main event. And I feel a Title should be in the main event unless as you said it is a retirement match. So might as well put the lesser of the two world titles in there.

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:41 pm

I just wish Goldberg and Lesnar fucked off already. Neither of them add anything to the table. In a perfect world, Goldberg never would have beaten Lesnar, Owens would go over Goldberg at Fast Lane, Finn Balor or Samoa Joe would go over Lesnar at WM 33, retiring him, and Goldberg would get one more loss at WM to anyone, retiring him as well.


Please don't give us a Punk/Rock part 2 with Owens/Goldberg. If they go down that route, they clearly haven't learned their lesson.
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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:05 pm

in a perfect world Goldberg embarrassing Lesnar like he did, and Brock fucking off forever would be much much much better

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PostSubject: Re: Brock vs Goldberg for the Universal championship   Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:08 pm

No, fuck Goldberg and Brock. Goldberg is even worse than Brock. I aint bothered
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